Seriously, this is annoying as fuck. So me and my friends get the beta for DOWII and decide to play together. 1.) Matchmaking. Stupid in general, but this case beats them all. I invite one of my friends. He joins. i invite the second one, he gets some NAT error, which appears to be common amongst games for windows live games. after around 30 tries we surrender. Why the fuck can't we invite over Steam anyways? 2.) creating a game in the custom lobby. I host, i invite them. both get the nat error. so they start searching.... and thanks to this great system they implemented there is a.) no refresh button (WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAGH), instead it refreshes at absolutely inappropriate times, resulting in losing the game you just had your eye on, and it never appearing ever again. This is completely randomized, like they wanna say :"You better use our shitty windows service or you can get ready to wait a while". and b.) no field where you can just enter the name of the game and join, as seen in for example WC3. In the meantime, i kept inviting and at some point one of them actually managed to join, the other one didn't. And thats it, we were frustrated and surrendered.

So there you go, if you want to ruin a game, implement windows live and let them run all network services. way to go.

So what is this thread for? Mostly whining, flaming, and venting. but also, are there any solutions to the NAT error?we all have our ports forwarded properly etc. I googled a houndred topics concerning this but nothing gave me an answer.

Thanks for reading this, and please don't be mad at me for wasting 10 mins of your life.